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EXPOSE MICHEL AOUN. JOIN THE CAMPAIGN (PartII)

Thread Starter: The Sniper   Started: 09-08-2006 10:29 AM   Replies: 1614
  08 Sep 2006, 10:29 AM
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Re: EXPOSE MICHEL AOUN. JOIN THE CAMPAIGN
Wacko Jacko:

"Heal the world, make it a better place for you and for me and the entire human race"

John Lenon's Imagine:
"You maysay I'm a dreamer, but I tell you I'm not the only one"

Dreams are great WhiteGhost. I'm all for it. But even dreams need planning and hard work to come true. With the exception of really, really few people (born under Lucky Stars), People make their own luck. You have to create the right circumstances, be at the right time and place. That's the way I see it.

Poet, it's not a matter of being switched on or not. It's sickening to see incompetence all around in Lebanon and the Arab World. We must do something. People are landing on Mars, winning Oscars and Pullitzers, delving into Nanotechnology while for more than 6 decades we keep going around in circles about who's Olive Tree this is (quoting Thomas Friedman).

Poet wrote "All attack is call for help". I beg to differ strongly. It's a rather too simplistic view. Can you tell of any other way to stop radicals from acquiring nukes? Europeans are trying it. Up until now, they keep giving Iran deadline after deadline. When would that stop? If Iran were rational or responsible people, I doubt anyone (including me) would give a toss if they had nuclear powers! You know that not after the Pakistanis got nuclear, they started selling the technology on black markets! Just imagine what would Iran do!

Sorry to say that some problems you just can't turn the face the other way. And hope the situation solves itself.




  
  08 Sep 2006, 10:51 AM
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 The Sniper wrote:
Wacko Jacko:

"Heal the world, make it a better place for you and for me and the entire human race"

John Lenon's Imagine:
"You maysay I'm a dreamer, but I tell you I'm not the only one"

Dreams are great WhiteGhost. I'm all for it. But even dreams need planning and hard work to come true. With the exception of really, really few people (born under Lucky Stars), People make their own luck. You have to create the right circumstances, be at the right time and place. That's the way I see it.

Poet, it's not a matter of being switched on or not. It's sickening to see incompetence all around in Lebanon and the Arab World. We must do something. People are landing on Mars, winning Oscars and Pullitzers, delving into Nanotechnology while for more than 6 decades we keep going around in circles about who's Olive Tree this is (quoting Thomas Friedman).



...we must do something...

...probably the only way to push through...

...but what are you going to do mr sniper...?

...cause the only way to lift is to create industries...

...and some industries which produce HItech products...

...however morally questionable, defense industries are great spinners...

...maybe building yourself your own Hitech airdefense systems...

...but you have to create scientists first...

...build yourself a high rank open technical faculty at the university...

...do it sniper, instead of making politics out of everything...

...you have my full support...

...


  
  08 Sep 2006, 11:55 AM
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"Sorry to say that some problems you just can't turn the face the other way. And hope the situation solves itself."

...which is exactly what violence does it does not tackle the source of conflict head on it merely proposes a band aid and hopes the problem solves itself...I'm impressed sniper... slowly but surely you're starting to get it.



Love is all there is !

  
  08 Sep 2006, 3:33 PM
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Poet, I don't exactly know where you lost the plot. I never said anything other than: Peaceful solutions must always take precedence, but if everything else fails, then resorting to Force ,may be the way out. Like for instance, Iran's nuclear problem.

What Force does sometimes offer is take an issue to a turning point. Sometimes, Force provides long-expected solutions that Peace could not provide. I give you an example, the latest Israeli assault on Lebanon. It changed the rules of the game. No longer Hizbullah think they have 'Power of Deterrence'. Now they know that every time they do something silly and stupid, Israel is going to destroy Lebanon badly. It's quite devastating to Lebanon, I know and I don't defend Israel in any way. They're our ennemy, but I put myself in their shoes. I repeat: Sometimes, Force takes a problem to another level (for better or worse), but it breaks the mould and status quo.

Being a pacifist is great but you have to keep your feet firm on the ground man. The World has its way and they include Force.

As for WhiteGhost, I'm whipping myself and the Arab World hard enough. I don't quite understand why you keep telling me what I'm already writing about.

Sergej. Are you going on a trip or you're bored with the forums? In all cases, I think you have Nuclear Submarines in Vladivostok. One was scene to a fire a couple of days ago, watch out for yourself while there. By the way, you're oversimplifying things. If I say I'm a cut-throat liberal, it doesn't mean I'm denying my nationality and identity. Actually, being liberal or not is a matter of personal opinion and character. You don't have to learn to be a liberal. It's who you are, how you think, your attitude in life. It's your will to work, how dynamic you are. No body sat me down and told me to be a liberal or capitalist. It's innate. Even in Communism darkest days, the USSR had its freedom fighters who tried to revolt and speak out and trade (in black market); those who wanted a better way of life. These people were not US wanna-be's. They acted on self-impulse and personal drive and desire to succeed in life. Americans didn't invent Liberalism and Capitalism. They were merely successful at applying it and making it successful. Who you want to be, is a matter of who you are. Period.






  
  08 Sep 2006, 7:02 PM
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@sniper:
As for WhiteGhost, I'm whipping myself and the Arab World hard enough. I don't quite understand why you keep telling me what I'm already writing about.


whiteghost:

...I have not seen you writing that Lebanon should build their own airdefense systems...

...I have not heard you telling me, or others, that you will start press for R&D in this and military related fields...

...name the top ten most tecnologically advanced Domestic lebanese corporations...

  
  08 Sep 2006, 7:39 PM
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Lebanon is 4 million inside and 12 million Diaspora, so bear with me as I gather my thoughts:

1. Carlos Ghosn, CEO of Renault, Nissan and soon GM
2. Selim Helou, billion.ai.re and Latin America's telecom monopolist
3. Nicolas Hayek, soon-to-be billiona.ir.e, CEO of Swatch group and luxury wacthes
4. Michael Dabaghi, World's top heart surgeon
5. Elie Saab and David Abi Nader Hollywood stars' designers
6. Gabriel Yared, Oscar winner for Best Soundtrack Spielberg's "English Patient"
7. Amine Maalouf, Francophone's finest novel award winner 'The Goncourt'
8. Shakira and her hips that don't lie
9. The late Rafic Hariri, billion*** and top Real Estate and International Politician
10. John Sounounou, former White House Chief of Staff, Georges Bush Sr.
11. Hassan Kamel Sabbah, 20th Century Scientist who invented much of your house appliances
12. Gibran Khalil Gibran, author of the Prophet
13. Charles Malek, Founder of UN Charter for Human Rights
14. Salma Hayek, Toni Chalhoub, Michael Nader and famous Hollywood producer (his name escaped my memory: Mario hmmmm... he produces Stallone and other hotshots)
15. Latin America's most successful businessmen especially in Brazil, Argnetina, Ecuador (Their president is Lebanese descendant who speaks Arabic and was in Beirut a few months back)
16. Politicians who occupy high ranks in Latin America
17. Africa's uncontested business leaders and influencial politicians
18. The head of NASA space exploration agency (can't remember the name though)
19. Edmond Safra, late billion*** and world financier (although some argue he was of Syrian origin)
20. Istisharat, IT developers of ERP systems and one of the world leading pioneers of Insurance and Banking softwares
21. Too many for me to recall on the spot

We're only 10,452 square kilometers. But throughout History, we have greatly contributed to Humanity and will keep doing so. We only need Peace and Stability. One time, Amine Gemayel, a former president said: Give us peace and we'll amaze the world".




  
  08 Sep 2006, 8:04 PM
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Whiteghost asked:
...I have not seen you writing that Lebanon should build their own airdefense systems...

...I have not heard you telling me, or others, that you will start press for R&D in this and military related fields...

...name the top ten most tecnologically advanced Domestic lebanese corporations...




 The Sniper wrote:
Lebanon is 4 million inside and 12 million Diaspora, so bear with me as I gather my thoughts:

1. Carlos Ghosn, CEO of Renault, Nissan and soon GM
2. Selim Helou, billion.ai.re and Latin America's telecom monopolist
3. Nicolas Hayek, soon-to-be billiona.ir.e, CEO of Swatch group and luxury wacthes
4. Michael Dabaghi, World's top heart surgeon
5. Elie Saab and David Abi Nader Hollywood stars' designers
6. Gabriel Yared, Oscar winner for Best Soundtrack Spielberg's "English Patient"
7. Amine Maalouf, Francophone's finest novel award winner 'The Goncourt'
8. Shakira and her hips that don't lie
9. The late Rafic Hariri, billion*** and top Real Estate and International Politician
10. John Sounounou, former White House Chief of Staff, Georges Bush Sr.
11. Hassan Kamel Sabbah, 20th Century Scientist who invented much of your house appliances
12. Gibran Khalil Gibran, author of the Prophet
13. Charles Malek, Founder of UN Charter for Human Rights
14. Salma Hayek, Toni Chalhoub, Michael Nader and famous Hollywood producer (his name escaped my memory: Mario hmmmm... he produces Stallone and other hotshots)
15. Latin America's most successful businessmen especially in Brazil, Argnetina, Ecuador (Their president is Lebanese descendant who speaks Arabic and was in Beirut a few months back)
16. Politicians who occupy high ranks in Latin America
17. Africa's uncontested business leaders and influencial politicians
18. The head of NASA space exploration agency (can't remember the name though)
19. Edmond Safra, late billion*** and world financier (although some argue he was of Syrian origin)
20. Istisharat, IT developers of ERP systems and one of the world leading pioneers of Insurance and Banking softwares
21. Too many for me to recall on the spot

We're only 10,452 square kilometers. But throughout History, we have greatly contributed to Humanity and will keep doing so. We only need Peace and Stability. One time, Amine Gemayel, a former president said: Give us peace and we'll amaze the world".


...why are you not replying according to my question when you took all this time compiling the above..?
 
...did you really get my question...?

...once again:...

...name the top ten most tecnologically advanced Domestic lebanese corporations...


  
  08 Sep 2006, 9:07 PM
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 whiteghost wrote:

...name the top ten most tecnologically advanced Domestic lebanese corporations...

whiteghost, if you don't mind my opinion. Lebanon needs massive western investment to build hi-tech industry. It will, however, will not be coming as long as there is no peace with Israel.

Who would want to build anything if it is in danger of being pulverized next time Hizbullah has a testosterone boost.

Disarm Hizbullah and whatever militias are there waiting for their turn, make peace with the Israelis, create economic incentives and the investment will follow.

Political solution first, economic second.

 


  
  08 Sep 2006, 9:57 PM
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...there are no problems concentrating such R&D at existing university faculties...

...no greater FDIs necessary...

...do not forget renaming the AUB to Beirut university...

...do not politicise the possibilities filoliCA...

...you are confusing snipers response which I await...

...I hope you don´t have a dark agenda filoliCA...by doing so...?





  
  08 Sep 2006, 10:06 PM
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...and more...

...Lebanon does not have to have formal peace with israel for FDIs...

...Israel does not have peace with all its neigbours...

...FDI flows anyway...

...It is the possibilities made by, amongst others, Technion Haifa, that boosts HItech industries with inventions and know how...

...you are confusing the lebanese people...

...you have probably other goals...

...I mistrust you now...filoliCA...

  
  08 Sep 2006, 10:12 PM
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 whiteghost wrote:


...I hope you don´t have a dark agenda filoliCA...by doing so...?

...not sure what you mean.... example, please.


  
  08 Sep 2006, 10:15 PM
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 whiteghost wrote:
...and more...



...Israel does not have peace with all its neigbours...

...FDI flows anyway...

...It is the possibilities made by, amongst others, Technion Haifa, that boosts HItech industries with inventions and know how...

..

Because Israel is a stable country without uncontrolled militias and strong military capable of protecting itself.

I don't have agenda but I do have opinion. You don't have to trust me.


  
  08 Sep 2006, 10:53 PM
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...the lebanese should be a supreme entity...

...deciding their own matters....

...if they go after technological development...

...they should, even if Hizballah is in arms...

...I tell you filoliCA...

...if you come to my place, having opinions on our doings...

...you would be out in 10sec...

...but Lebanon are used to manipulations...

...from other nations...

...Israel...Iran...Syria...USA...

...they are not used to act now...for their own interests...

...military R&D are foremost a problem for Israel...

...but it does not serve lebanon not to engage in such activities anyhow...

...spillovers are obvious for other nations...

...to deny lebanon such activities for their own good...

...is to manipulate and to try to take control...

...sniper..I am waiting for your call...

  
  08 Sep 2006, 11:19 PM
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...read your last..

...Israel has a strong militarycapable of protecting itself...

...that is exactly the point...

...a military equipped with know how from own inventions...

...from own technological universities...

...lebanon and other arab countries have to follow the same path...


  
  08 Sep 2006, 11:21 PM
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 whiteghost wrote:


...they should, even if Hizballah is in arms...

...I tell you filoliCA...

...if you come to my place, having opinions on our doings...

...you would be out in 10sec...


I won't come to your place, neither will the others as long as your are arab nationalism hostage.

... keep dreaming.


  
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